Hayley Dodd missing

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Crime Buff.

My highest priority is to protect the family from any further needless attention or harm. Forums can be cruel to the family sometimes, not even by intention often.

Mrs Dodd has been kind enough to provide me some information she would like followed up.

It's Mrs Dodd's info - so I don't feel comfortable making it public on a forum such as this, without her express permission. She mentioned to me that your posts were causing her some concern, and so I have been circumspect in answering your questions in my last post.

Neither Mrs Dodd, nor myself have any way of knowing your age, gender or anything else about you, or your intentions, because most of your posts have been questions about the case or myself rather than provide us any information about yourself.

I've attempted to change that in a couple ways - offering to meet with you & declining to answer your last questions.

In asking a question publicly - the method to answer you publicly, puts my private information out into the public arena, that I might not be too comfortable with (Identity theft etc). Likewise putting information belonging to Mrs Dodd out into the public domain is not my info to be able to do that - without her express permission.

I'll re - iterate some points from my previous post.

Crime Buff

maybe I should contact Margaret to find out exactly where the friend lived she was headed to.

Sir Laughs a Lot

I suggest you do that (contact Mrs Dodd).

If you are a friend of Margaret's as you claim and you do this and she gives you that info - that means that I have not breached any confidence placed in my by Mrs Dodd - thats why I suggested it.

Sir Laughs a Lot

I will work with anyone that is prepared to assist

Sir Laughs a Lot

Sorry for being "evasive" but I think it is prudent at this point in time to be so.

Crime Buff

Im a 67 yr old woman not in very good health,

Had I been privy to that information - then my responses in the above posts would have been less harsh - I'd still not have provided any more info than I did, but I would NOT have answered in the way that i did.

You were privy to that information, but I wasn't, hence - why would you expect a reply that takes cognizance of your age, gender, & health status?.

Crime Buff - if you wish to help, then I am quite sure that ANY help provided is more than welcome by the Dodd Family.

I don't personally need any assistance from you right at the moment, in order to follow the clues I've been provided. I would not expect anyone to help me fiscally to achieve what i need to achieve. The fact your prepared to help the Dodd family in the way suggested is admirable - but you need to make that offer direct to the family, not me.

Likewise, any help you offer should not be "conditional" in my opinion.

Please make your contact direct with Mrs Dodd and let her decide, what she wishes to share by way of information and what assistance she is willing to consider.

I think the idea of an annual search weekend at Badgingarra is a good one (and one I've suggested to Mrs Dodd) - and I offered to drive the bus (to save the cost of having to pay a driver) i.e. a contribution in kind.

Please don't ask me questions (publicly) that put me in a difficult position with having to breach any confidentiality with the Dodd family with information they have entrusted to me.

It's my intention to go search within the next week or so - and i need to take someone with me, I'll grab one of my boys or my wife and I will go as i have done in the past.

I am genuinely sorry for my terse reply - I had no idea of your age, gender, or health, and was always brought up to show respect to my elders and to women and to the frail. You deprived me of that information, and I was led to believe that you were indeed someone else entirely, hence you got the reply that eventuated.

Perhaps if you used the Private Messages function here, to convey those specific details to me, the reply would have been much different.

I would be just as cautious in protecting your personal info on a public forum such as this, as I have been with the info entrusted to me by Mrs Dodd.

I want to help the Dodd family find closure, it's that simple.
I intend to get on with that job just as soon as humanly possible.

Sincerely yours.

Sir Laughs A Lot.

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Report.

Over the weekend - I made another trip to the Badgingarra vicinity - in relation to clairvoyant information made available to me by Mrs Dodd.

Its interesting that this location is within the 20 mile distance from where Hayley was last seen - as suggested by Chris here - count that as a hit Chris.

Almost all of the clues given by the clairvoyant were found at the site in question.

A few hours were spent getting the lay of the land and conducting a familiarization search.

I have quite a strong feeling this clairvoyant is spot on, and intend to conduct more thorough searches of the area in future.

I will seek to see if I can take the clairvoyant to the site with me.

All in all a productive days effort.

[Rev. Chris Roubis]

Report.

Over the weekend - I made another trip to the Badgingarra vicinity - in relation to clairvoyant information made available to me by Mrs Dodd.

Its interesting that this location is within the 20 mile distance from where Hayley was last seen - as suggested by Chris here - count that as a hit Chris.

Your giving me butterflies in my stomache Sir Laughs alot.
God bless you on your efforts on this matter mate.

All in all a productive days effort.

Bloody awesome mate. Hope you don't mind me sending you some energy to be able to keep going.

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Not at all Chris.

We have to get this girl home to her family once and for all.

By her Birthday in November would be good.

By the anniversary of her disappearance in July would be better still.

I've a few things on the go all at the same time.

Lets see where it leads.

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Hi 3rd eye,

Sorry I didn't see your post till now.
Yes we did go Sunday 23rd May, up to investigate further.
Ch7 media arrived in their chopper and tagged along for the day and the piece they shot went to air Sunday nights Ch7 news.
It was a productive day in many ways and many new pieces of the puzzle have begun to fit together.
I don't want to go into ALL the details here, in a public forum. Much of the info is private and not mine to share i.e. that provided by individuals who may not want the publicity, and that provided by the family in confidentiality, that they may not want shared publicly.
I'm just a foot soldier - doing some searching on foot here n there, as clues determine a search is warranted.
I know how frustrating that might be for those following this thread along, and wanting to know whats happening, and for those offering to assist.
The more info I have, the better the chances of solving the case.
I do not want to jeopardize any of the sources of information providers to me, if they believe that I cannot be trusted to maintain a confidence, when requested to do so.
What many people want (me included) is the "case solved".
But what is that?
Is finding Hayley's remains, the solution to the issue? (for me it would be - that is my prime motivation - to find closure for the family).
For others it would be bringing the perpetrator/s to justice.
For yet others again it would be both outcomes.
What I would or can say is that good progress is, I believe being made, but NOT yet to the point of the two desired outcomes above, which are the standard by which some will judge "progress".
Every step that narrows down an area to search, every step that provides clues as to the identity of the perpetrator/s, is another piece of the puzzle.
It's not until all the pieces are complete that we will have the full picture.
I don't for example, wish to publicly "tip off" the perpetrator/s that we are "closing the gap" on him/them and thus encourage them to maybe revisit the scene of the crime, or to move / disturb / better hide, the remains etc nor to allow him / them time to better prepare their alibi's.
There are good reasons to keep info such as this out of the public arena where possible.
It is a VERY fine line - for example - good publicity - can at times, prompt a member of the public to come forward with new clues or information, that are crucial to solving the crime.
I can only do what i think is best at the time and again the LAST thing i would wish to do is anything to further add to the family's grief.

It's important i get back there again soon for more searching - before winter really sets in. That must wait for time & finances to allow it.

That's about the best i can say at this point in time I think.

[Rev. Chris Roubis]

Great work m8.

Dam I missed sunday 7 news.

Searching on google for ch7 article on sundays news, I come across this website.

Seems like we have an audience of clowns from this website:

http://thinkingisreal.blogspot.com/2010 ... again.html

Why are they foillowing this thread so much if they dont believe in psychics or anything else for that matter?

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Interesting Chris to see the obviously knowledgeable opinions expressed.

One wonders if the latest posting will be "moderated" or deleted, in order to protect the original blogger.

Never mind I've copy pasted it below, for posterity - his members can read about him here - without moderation for what kind of individual he obviously is!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps if the same amount of effort knocking efforts to solve the case by any and all means, as is expended debunking those efforts here - was expended on the ground searching - the case would be solved by now.

Everyone feels sorry for the family.

Facts are tho - that it was the family who:-

A) Contacted those who went searching.
B) Asked the media to participate

(And why not?..fair play to them, any publicity COULD be the key to getting someone to come forward with NEW information that solves the case).

If your not involved in any way - then it's all to easy to make the type of disparaging comments made here.

Much is recently known now, about the case, that previously wasn't publicly available - due to the fact the case has been listed for a coronial inquiry at the insistence of the family - hence making the original investigative details, now publicly available documents - including to the family, instead of being sealed away in some 10 year old closed police case file.

It's a fact the police don't have the time $ & resources, to do the ground searching required to create a breakthrough in this case.

So the "solution" is to leave the case closed for eternity based on the blog here.

This blog suggests that "Justice denied" is fine in essence.

You saw 1 min 30 seconds media clip, of a days effort by perhaps 16 or 18 people, all friends of the family, who volunteered their time, expenses and boot leather......including the lovely lady you so mercilessly disparage here.

I for one would love to see you say these things to her face - instead of being a keyboard warrior here - with no consequence to answer for.

No one has "preyed on this family" as you suggest for fiscal reward. Every single person there responded to a request by the family to try something else, that hasn't been tried yet in this case for no reward.

The psychic included volunteered her time, as she has in the past at a request from the family direct.

Knowing many things about this case - from many different sources, is NOT admissible evidence in a court of law.

Any admissible evidence would be turned over to police - as it should be.

I think its pretty deplorable to criticize something you know obviously so little about in order to gain notoriety on the intranet.

Your criticism here of the family and their efforts is likely to do a LOT more harm to the family than that done by their friends and family who all pitched in to spend a day in each others company doing something constructive in the manner of a ground search.

Non of us knew the media had been invited - and no one minded because that's what the family wanted.

The REASON the media treated the subject the way they did - was because they were privy to the clues the psychic provided (in writing) and were shown those clues on the ground, on the day - in a place the psychic had never been too in her entire life.

The degree of accuracy was "uncanny".

These things won't be made "public" here or any where else including the other forums you mention - because that is the family's wish.

I consider your blog particularly hurtful to the family - to the point I believe you owe them a public apology, for judging them without knowing them.

Your entitled to your opinion.

Your entitled to express it.

It paints you as a particularly sad type of person - to not wish to help yourself yet denigrate the efforts of anyone else that tries.

Perhaps this is your own way of apologizing for the sad type of individual you obviously are.

And as a result the sad type of blog your inflicting here on others.

Who knows - perhaps with time you'll grow up and develop a more mature & considered rationale.

Cheers

One wonders Chris - what our "blogger friend" thinks about publishing information pertaining to him in a poor light, that he has no editorial control over?

It's my experience that control freaks like him - can't handle adverse publicity, in a forum where they have no control over whats published.

By the same token - when the case IS solved (and mark my words it will be) this blogger will either ignore it entirely and give no credit where it is due OR claim some kind of role in it for himself by way of self aggrandizement as a result of his blog.

There are all kinds of people in this world.

There are those who, by their faith & physical efforts, make things happen.
There are those who stand idly bye and watch what happens.
There are those asleep at the wheel who wake with a start and ask "hey - what just happened?".

It's pretty obvious our blogger belongs to the 3rd group.
It takes all kinds as they say - to make the world go round.
Our blogger friend is the least of our worries at this point as he has achieved so far absolutely nothing of any worth.

One wonders why he is "rooting for the perpetrators, not to be caught" by his reasoning and diatribe blog - maybe he's even one of them running interference and a disinformation campaign!

Stranger things have happened.

Cheers.

[Rev. Chris Roubis]

Good work on replying to his stupidity on his blog.... and well said

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Hes still busy gobbing off Chris and making excuses now about how hes the defender of everyone with half a brain that ever got exploited by someone unscrupulous.

I replied again - but will post it below for posterity in case his ego won't allow him to leave it published where it is.

Anonymous said...

A little "education" for you Andy - about the "real world" of solving murders!

Since your so keen on the powers of Google and all!

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/new-hun ... 5820396859

The Sunday Times last year revealed a detective approached psychic and author Debbie Malone for help in their hunt for the killer, offering her Mrs Rayney's diary as a "energy source".

Psychic helps in Rayney probe

EXCLUSIVE: WA detectives have resorted to using a psychic medium who claims to speak to the dead in their hunt for Corryn Rayney's killer, according to a new book.

Junior detective 'contacted psychic'

POLICE have admitted that a psychic was called in to help with the Corryn Rayney murder inquiry, as revealed in The Sunday Times.

Police won't ban psychics

WA Police chiefs have refused to issue a blanket ban on officers listening to psychics and using their information.

You sir are a dickwad - your mummy's boy issues are clouding your judgment.

Above you will see that police Do use the services of psychics and mediums at times when it suits them.

It's OK for the police to do this publicly, but not the family - this is your point?

You think the press would do a story about gumshoe searching the bush for remains - without the psychic "twist" - to hook viewers?

You have no idea about journalism then my friend which is why your relegated top your sad little blog here for publicity - while the rest of us work regularly with the press.

What part of "the family asked for help from the pshychic" don't you understand?

What part of "there was no fees and thus no exploitation of the family" do you not understand?

Your rant has done nothing but upset the family - well done Mr caring citizen with a gob but no brains attached to it.

Keep your rants to yourself and do us all a favor.

Your not worthy of the internet - your not saving anyone from anything they were not willing participants in.

Non of this group has ever approached Don Spiers, so your argument there holds no water, in relation to the Dodd case.

Your not protecting him in any way!

Ask yourself this question.

IF this effort using the psychic leads to finding Hayley Dodds remains and helps to solve the case and jail the perpetrators, - don't you think Don Speirs would be down the police station tomorrow, thumping his fist on the desk and asking police why they haven't involved the psychic who helped solve Hayley Dodds dissapearance?

Any parent in that position would and no one would blame him despite his public statements about psychics in the past.

Now.

The lady psychic in question - is quite well renowned for her work with Police in helping to solve murders in the past - just not in WA because she lived elsewhere most of her life!

She has been flown to New York to help the NYPD on a case- BECAUSE OF THE VERACITY OF INFORMATION SHE PROVIDED that hadn't been made public.

So not only the West Aussie police call in psychics at times - often police departments around the world will do so.

To whit she also assisted NZ police with solving a murder case where the body hadn't been found.

Your criticizing someones ability's that you personally have no knowledge about except some mummy issues feelings that you are the superman - the defender of the weak etc etc.

No sir your a bigot with a big mouth and not much else - who's preparedness to express his somewhat childish opinion has undoubtedly caused the family some grief.

Leave it alone is my sincere advice to you Andre - the internet is not nearly as anonymous as you might think and I'd hate to have to act to protect the family's interests in this from here on in.

Chris I've half a mind to track this Andre bigot down and give him a piece of my mind.

Cheers

[Rev. Chris Roubis]

ROFL

Again well said m8.

I think he should get cable and watch "Psychic Detectives" or watch some episodes here



I wonder if he has ever heard of Alison Dubois, psychic detective. They even made a TV series called "medium".

Maybe he should have a look at the Psychic twins http://www.psychictwins.com/predict.html



I was curious to see how long your replies would last on his blog. Looks like he has deleted the article and comments altogether....

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

I was curious to see how long your replies would last on his blog. Looks like he has deleted the article and comments altogether....

Comments must have hit too close to home for him - just another "Dickie Knee" (Mouth on a stick).

What a shame he can't delete our comments here eh?

Cheers

[Kimberly]

Hi everyone, I stumbled across this thread whilst searching Hayley Dodd. For years now I have had some kind of connection, I'm what people call an 'empathic reader' and read faces. but I'm now branching further for my own gain, but I don't do any psychic work for money and I don't read for people. As is don't like influencing peoples life's based on my findings. And also because there is also an element for misinterpretation and I couldn't live with myself if I delivered wrong information to someone. Anyway having said all that I wanted to talk about some things I noted whilst looking at a series of photographs I located of Hayley Dodd.

I wondered if any other psychics could have a look and maybe reiterate with their own findings. These findings are not in a "step by step" order nor do they flow into sentences it is just what comes to me and what I have jotted down.

Taken by surprise,

Wouldn't get into a car with someone who gave her 'weird vibes' and didn't willingly enter the car with this man.

didn't actually hitch hike with the "thumb out"as
standard of someone hitch hiking was just walking.

Followed/watched by man on foot. Aboriginal in 40's at the time

Hayley was Street smart

Felt Frightened and went to roadhouse but convinced herself that she had to get to her destination so kept on going "quicker I get there the quicker it will be over" she said to herself and didn't mention anything to anyone at the roadhouse for fear of "looking silly" and almost "it would never happen to me" train of thought.


Wasn't an immediate death. was alive for a period of time whilst being held 'captive'

Man took backpack 'keepsake' but he no longer has it

I don't feel that the 'youths' nor the 'cars' that were seen on that road have anything to do with it.

I also ran my own search on Google maps of the location I believe she is in, and funny enough I also stopped unknowingly at the similar location Sir-laugh-alot stopped at. What caught my eye was the face embedded in bushland. Realising the land probably does not look like this any more, I wonder if it was a clue at the time the photo was taken and within the scrub to the lower right of the picture is where she is buried?


So there is my two cents! What are yours after reading my input?

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Thank you for your contribution Kimberley.

I will listen to anyone's input - because it might hold a vital clue, one just never knows.

I have had other "psychic input" since most of my postings above & some concur in minor ways with what your saying, while others don't.

I'd say you are close in your interpretation - as are others.

A very good psychic who traveled recently to the locations you and I have marked here, with me and the family and press etc confirmed the widely held belief by both police investigators and other private operators that Hayley was abducted near the areas shown on the Badjingarra - Moora road, in posts here using google earth pics.

This much is known fact from the eye witness accounts at the time, from the re enactment by Pt detective Mick Buckley, and by psychics including yourself and chris here, and the psychic Chanty who went on site with the family.

Much more is known - but a KEY piece of evidence is the missing backpack. So far at least, nothing's been offered on the missing backpack - until now, so thank you for that.

The name of ONE of the 2 alleged perpetrators is KNOWN by me, and the family, and was provided by a psychic. That doesn't mean we can provide it to police YET, because quite simply we have ZERO proof, that will stand up in a court of law. To do so would be highly irresponsible as yet, because the person has the presumed right of innocence until PROVEN guilty, and putting someone under police suspicion because of a psychic response, is NOT how our judicial system works.

It's believed the two allegedly responsible were interviewed by police at the time - each giving the other an alibi, which were accepted and not double checked thoroughly & as a result weren't ever broken down.
I believe it is possible to break down these two alibi's, and get confessions from those allegedly responsible for this crime in due course.

That's not my role - that rightly belongs to the police.
They don't have just cause to do that, until someone provides some proof.
Quite simply until I locate Hayley's remains - who is going to believe anything else I say, because it came from a psychic?.

When I have the credibility of having located Hayley's remains, THEN I will provide my suspicions about the alleged perpetrators to police for them to use or discard as they see fit.

One cannot just "run around" making accusations against people - who might well be totally innocent based on what psychic clues are provided, one has to use those clues to find proof positive admissible evidence -THEN let the police do their job as they see fit to bring new evidence to bear and follow up whatever leads that creates.

To go to police now with what I know based solely on psychic clues would be irresponsible IMHO and would rightly possibly be viewed as wasting valuable police time.

When I have physical evidence admissible in a court of law - garnered hopefully by following psychic clues - THEN is the right time to make that alleged evidence known to police, for them to do their job.

I also believe I know within a reasonable proximity the place where Hayleys remains may lie. Its STILL a big area to search - more-so on ones own and under ones own fiscal resources.
The Psychic Chanty, has offered her services to further assist me in this respect at no charge and physically on the ground searching - which is most gracious of her.

When i have the time & $ resources the search will continue.

It is within a 20 mile radius of where she was last seen, which keys with a list of a dozen or more clues that Chanty was able to give the family and which we have been able to run to ground, considerably narrowing down the physical search area.

Its intended for now to concentrate future searches within this identified zone.

Its still a big job, I've had 2 trips into this area and searched both times for zero result, but have covered maybe only 5% of the search area identified.

I will accept ANY help offered, to physically search for Hayley's remains on-site, many hands make light work & many heads are better than one and more eyes on the ground the better, more feet covering ground the better.

What I'd like to avoid are:-

More unnecessary publicity, for several reasons e.g. running the press around chews up valuable search time and vehicle time & expense. There will be plenty of time for press to do their thing AFTER Hayleys remains are found, right now their involvement only serves to fuel unnecessary speculation, to further stress the family unnecessarily, and to draw unwanted attention to the net closing around the 2 alleged perpetrators!

For example - do we necessarily want the alleged perpetrators to know that the area's defined and she will be eventually found and that active searching is happening - or might they then return to the scene of the crime and do a better job this time of hiding / moving her remains?

Would the press take responsibility for that happening if their premature involvement were to be the cause of that?

Most people who want to be involved - don't seem to realize that the alleged perpetrators as best we know are still at large, the LAST thing we should do now is create unwanted publicity to allow them to bolster their allegedly false alibi's - to remove or re hide / the remains for example.

I understand the family involving the media last time - they rightly hope that ANY media might be the key that brings forth a clue that unlocks the case and solves their much loved daughters disappearance. I certainly do not blame them for that.

However - is it necessarily fair on the psychic Chanty to have media cameras in her face while trying to do something that takes a peaceful and quiet environment to do well?

Might not better progress be made by having the psychic in the search area -with No disturbances from searchers and media, while she just does her thing - hopefully further narrowing the search area parameters such that foot searching becomes achievable / viable within a relatively small physical search area?

That's the outcome I would like and that is not possible with a full on 20 person search contingent and media with their cameras, reporters, sound technicians and helicopters all gathered around the psychic waiting for her to "perform for them on cue like some trained circus monkey". In my opinion that's just not fair on the psychic.

I would honestly like to be left to my own devices with one or two helpers (Chanty included) to conduct discreet searches of the identified area without all the hoopla of the press.

I probably have said more than I should, and don't want to upset anyone by saying it, - least of all the family, or press, or police, or anyone else, to be frank.

There's a lot of area to search and there's likely a lot of people would willingly devote their spare time to assist, but one has to be careful that the size of the group doesn't quickly swell to an unmanageable sized crowd...where a lot of noise is made but little achieved actually on the ground for the days effort.

I came here for assistance from a psychic/psychics.

I've been more than fortunate in that I've had input from several.

I've also been most fortunate that the family have entrusted me with their confidence and information = something I couldn't have hoped for.

Now it is important to just get results without un-needed fan fare along the way.

I am fearful that further publicizing whats occurring, is only likely to invite the very thing I want least - unwanted further media attention/involvement at this point in time.

I guess we see where this leads us next.

Cheers!

[Kimberly]

Hiya sir!

Whilst reading your response I wondered if Chris was able to make this specific topic made private to those who have signed up, and I for one found it just on a simple google search so to help your cause on not having too much of what's going on published as I guess it has been 10 years so the perpetrator(s) could now have easy access to the internet and may have stumbled across this already. You just never know.

I live in Perth, and I would love to go out there and help however you can imagine my own fear being a young female going out bush with someone I don't know, as well as in the vicinity of a murderer! My hubby wouldn't be to happy with that! I'm also Pregnant so that slows it down aswell. However, I'm willing to help with any other Information needed from either here in Perth or online. if extra hands are needed!

I often do Long drives with a friend of mine so we might get adventurous before it comes for me to POP into the hospital.

I have full faith that Hayley's case will be solved time is no barrier 10 years or not. She will be found!!!

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

I'm keen,

It's a question of both time & finances ATM, we are a 1 income family ATM and just received notice the wife's year+ long temp govt contract will not be renewed in 2 weeks time so both of us are now looking at being unemployed - thus fiscal resources are thin on the ground for fuel.

Something will turn up God willing.
Wish it was different believe me.

I can't go alone - as i need a co pilot, being type 2 diabetic just in case I get sleepy at the wheel and need a 20 min spell, by the end of the day - last trip was over 12 hours day and almost 700km's return driving which I managed but found pretty stressful.

I can provide the vehicle if you can provide the fuel?.

Cheers

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Kimberley, I wouldn't ask you to put yourself in that position, and your husband would be 100% right - just look at what happened recently to the young lady in the east who was lured to a job interview, and was murdered.

Anything you can provide in way of insight is valued here - no matter how much or little everything helps.

Yes this case will be solved sooner or later.

I won't let it rest - but need to get over a few hurdles with making a living right at the moment, life's tough on one wage but impossible on nil.

Cheers

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

3Rd eye - are you available during the week or do you prefer to go of a weekend?.

I was offering the use of my vehicle, for the simple reason, that right now - finding the $ to contribute towards fuel for yours, will put me in an embarrassing position - if that makes sense?

I'd like to take the psychic along with us - & being a woman she won't be "comfortable alone with 2 men" thus I was thinking to take my wife along also, who she knows already...

Mine as I've said above is a dual cab F 250 TDiesel 4wd - hence enough room for 4 of us in relative comfort compared to some smaller Japanese vehicles.

I'm happy to go early and come back in the afternoon as are the Psychic and my wife.

I have a commitment Saturday afternoon with my lad, but otherwise the long weekend is free (but I need to check with Chanty about her availability).

Watching the TV news tonight - with police searching for the murdered millionaire's body - using cadaver dogs - I got to wishing I still had my old dog with me - he had a nose on him could track anything, best dog ever lived I reckon and I had him 14years, I miss him to this day.

I don't s'pose you have a dog that could be useful 3rd eye? (There's room for him/her too!)
Just a thought that occurs to me...

The silver Ford behind the 80 series land cruiser is my truck.

Your welcome to come along with us for the day 3rd eye, we can get together tomorrow morning Saturday for a coffee and chat if that would make you more comfortable? Gimme a ring if thats OK with you.

I'm sending you a PM with my mob number!

Cheers

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Indeed,

Waiting to hear back from the Psychic, so no go Monday but maybe during the week?

Cheers

[Rev. Chris Roubis]

Following a private conversation with sir laughs alot, I have now passworded the topic so we can freely discuss and divulge information about the case without people like 3rdeye watching everything we say.

[Fossil]

This is a very good idea Chris, and well done SirLAL too!

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Great effort Chris,

Thanks for going to this trouble.

As Fossil has just informed me by email - things are progressing very nicely!.

Between Margaret and Fossil here, they are both doing a great job of getting the police to run these latest leads to ground.

Of course my primary focus is and remains locating Hayley's remains.... with that part of the puzzle solved - police would have a much greater chance IMHO, of bringing the two alleged perpetrators to book.

However, IF they can break them down, with "other charges" related too the earlier alleged rape incident at Hammond farm.... well maybe the alleged 2 boys will confess after all - and take police to the remains.

That would be a great outcome all round - I don't care bye what route we end up at closure for the family - just as long as we do get there eventually.

Cheers

[Fossil]

That's exactly what is needed to be done SLAL - Hayley needs to be found. If these 2 guys are the alleged perpetrators they may well clam up and not reveal the final resting place.

So we need to think like these alleged perps - as hard as it may be.

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

Hi Fossil,

Around lunch time was the message she left I believe, and I think she called from Badgingarra at around 10 AM.

It's some 12 - 15 kms to the farm but she did get a lift as far as Winjardie road with the lady school teacher.

From this (and Chantys input) I figured it as sometime just past lunch (12.30 maybe 1PM), that she should have been due to arrive at the farm..

2 possibilities:-

1. Hayley was picked up by the two only a mile or two from the farm and they returned there with her.
2. Hayley made it too the farm under her own steam - to find only the 2 boys home.

"Would they have risked traveling with Hayley in the vehicle, or would they have kept her calm and relaxed and driven her back to the farm??? I believe this the more likely scenario but I'm totally open to other opinions - please share".

Again we just don't know for sure, either / or are both possibilities.

"Something terrible transpired on the farm...would they have risked leaving the farm, I dont think so. I'm wondering if there are any caves or similar type land features on the farm itself. SLAL, with your contacts, would you be able to make very discreet inquiries with people in the know???? I've got a feeling there will be - don't know why, just got this very very strong feeling at the moment - damned goosebumps again! Maybe a disused quarry or something".

I can only look via google earth - I had a feeling she could well be on the farm somewhere. I don't believe there's a known cave on that farm anywhere, (read the speleological groups website & they know all the ones in Watheroo NP for example - but can't totally rule it out).

"I also wonder if the Badgingarra refuse site has always been where it is located now??? I wonder who can tell us that answer? Definitely cannot ask anyone at council or anyone local? Any ideas?"

Other than local shire, I'm not sure!

"One thing I don't know, is if Hayley knew wombat previously. Wombat and jnr attended the same high school in Moora and were about the same age, so it is possible Hayley knew him".

Yes - Hayley and her younger sister knew Wombat from their earlier visit to the farm as kids in 1978.

"I've just realised that snr was divorced from his wife - don't know when this occurred either but could be relative to the case given the visits to the farm by the now imprisoned pedophile".

Separated / divorced prior to 1978, ie more than 21 years BEFORE Hayley disappeared, i.e Hayley and younger sis - visited Hammonds farm with Hammonds daughter "Krystal" during school hols in 1978 when "Krystal" went to visit with her "estranged father" on the farm for the school holidays.

Cheers.

[Fossil]

Thanks for that SLAL

Do you consider the local CALM officer might know about the land detail on the farm? Can't go to council for obvious reasons.

SLAL could you please supply a google earth shot of the exact location of hammond farm?

I've asked M a couple of questions about the farm - see if she knows of any caves etc.

[Sir Laughs-A-Lot]

I worked for CALM for 8 years - I don;t think the "local" (Probably Perth or Geraldton) CALM DEC guy would know diddly squat about Hammond's farm.

The Shire would likely deal with CALM DEC about the refuse site and then issue the annual contract to Hammond.

Margarets given me a "correction of fact" for my posts.

It relates to Wombat and Brad Hammond & their Alibi's.

Re Brad Hammond, his alibi is O'connel the convicted jailed pedophile sex offender not Steven Payne (Wombat)

So this complicates things slightly - in that it removes the Alibi cover story of Brad Hammond And Stephen Payne (Wombat) each giving the other an alibi, and introduces a 3rd party - but at least he has form/convictions for sex related crime (and is confined at the moment. I've a feeling he was a local school teacher prior to being convicted).

This then raises the question......who is the Alibi for Stephen Payne (Wombat)?
I'll ask Margaret.
Fossil - good move on the speleological society group.

Google Earth of Hammond farm - "Seldom Seen" - probably but first I need a copy of the Shire Map showing all the farm boundaries to make sure I get all of it in on the Google Earth Image when i zoom in - so I don't lose any.

I've asked Margaret recently about obtaining a copy of hers, but she is understandably busy at the moment with the case due to the new info.

I'm not keen on getting one from the shire for fear of info getting back to Hammonds.

I'll have to try something else maybe.

Cheers

[Fossil]

Geez this info is moving around a bit isn't it. Now we have another sexual predator on that damned farm and we know of a severe pedophile as well - one hell of a sick place hey! Nice place to gain employment - I'll think I'll apply now. How can hammond snr know nothing of this....

Just your google earth image will be just fine SLAL. Thankyou.